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17. Dec 2003 at 17:39
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Ahoy Mates.

Has anyone seen this film?  I found this film to be extremely Blaylockian.  I did enjoy it, however I think thay may have stepped over the line.  In the movie, the cursed pirates have to collect 800 cursed Aztec gold coins.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the very plot of Jim's book "The Last Coin".  

I'm really torn between how good a job they did with the film, and how much they ripped off the plot of "The Last Coin".  I think Mr. Blaylock could sue for royalties...I recommend he talk with a lawyer.

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Reply #1 - 17. Dec 2003 at 23:03
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I did enjoy the film, in no small part due to the presence of Kiera Knightly...

I doubt, however, that they're in any danger of litigation.  If you recall, The Last Coin dealt with the thirty pieces of silver Judas was payed to betray Jesus, rather than 800 pieces of gold stolen from the (Aztec?) indians.
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Reply #2 - 17. Dec 2003 at 23:59
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Fun movie!  Brought to mind Tim Powers for me, in a couple of spots.

I believe the story is as old as the Disney Land ride itself, though.  I haven't been on it since 1976 myself, so I don't remember, but I saw the movie with my mom (who grew up in LA), and she seemed pretty hip to the story background.
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Reply #3 - 20. Dec 2003 at 15:55
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C'mon, work with me here.  It's not about the number of coins, or where the coins are from.  It's about cursed coins, and their looking for the last one!
 
"The Last Coin"
 
And the ride?  The ride had no plot.  It was just about going through a cave, in a boat, and there's pirates and skelingtons moving around.  They took the imagery from the ride, true, but the plot was pure Blaylock.  I'm seeking an appeal, is anyone out there with me?
 
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Reply #4 - 20. Dec 2003 at 21:41
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I don't know how common the cursed-coin motif is in literature, but from a legal perspective the similarities are too few for any lawsuit to succeed. To sue over plot similarities you generally need to point to a whole lot of common elements - otherwise it could just be blamed on accidental coincidence. Like that business of some woman suing JK Rowling because she wrote a book with the word "muggle" in it, ten years or so before Harry Potter came out.
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Reply #5 - 21. Dec 2003 at 21:52
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[quote author=Mike  link=1071679198/0#3 date=1071946553]And the ride?  The ride had no plot.  It was just about going through a cave, in a boat, and there's pirates and skelingtons moving around.  They took the imagery from the ride, true, but the plot was pure Blaylock. [/quote]

Ah.  I stand corrected.
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Reply #6 - 22. Dec 2003 at 07:21
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Well actually I have to agree with Captain Mike about how the Pirates ripped off Blaylock.  However, not from "The Last Coin", but from "The Disappearing Dwarf"  If you read chapter 20 In the High Window. Just when Jonathan and the professor come out of the woods and are greeted by a young girl who when she steps into the moonlight could pass for one of those "Damned" Pirates just like the Pirates in the Movie turned into creepy Skeletons when they stepped into the moonlight.

Now I don't think anyone needs to sue it's just good to know that Hollywood recognizes Blaylock.

So do you think they'll ever make a movie of the Elfin Ship.  It'll be the landmark movie of ages to come, or is that Lord of the RingsSmiley  
Going to see the movie tommorow if God wills.  Can't wait.

Hey Captain Mike maybe you should cut back on the Coffee Smiley

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Reply #7 - 22. Dec 2003 at 18:53
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You know, as much as I respect James P. Blaylock and enjoy his work, I do realize that many--maybe even most--of the individual fantastical elements he used in his early work (and even somewhat in has more recent work) aren't unique to him. He borrows heavily--as do most good fantasy authors--from Greek and Roman myth, THE ARABIAN NIGHTS, Shakespeare, the Holy Bible, folklore, and lots of other places, as well as from other authors--Dickens, Stevenson, Tolkein, and Bradbury seem obvious, but there are many others.

Skeletons, pirates, magical coins...it's nothing new. What he does what them is wonderful, but he didn't originate any of that stuff any more than the folks at Disney (or any other movie studio) did.
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Reply #8 - 23. Dec 2003 at 15:33
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As much as I love Blaylock, he's not exactly a well known author.  Hell, I live in NYC and I rarely can even find his books in any kind of bookstore, and searching for Blaylock books (new and used) in bookstores is almost a hobby of mine now.  I doubt the screenwriters for this film were sitting around cutting plots and ideas from his novels and pasting them into this Disney movie.  Let's just face it, there are no original ideas.  Someone's ideas or style is bound to resemble someone else's and so on and so forth.  Sometimes even down to the details.

It is a great movie though, Johnny Depp is brilliant.
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Reply #9 - 24. Dec 2003 at 15:00
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Johny Depp, while brilliant, got his whole bit from Kieth Richards (of the Rolling Stones).  Although, considering his condition, I don't recommend that Mr. Richards sue anybody.

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Reply #10 - 13. Jan 2004 at 15:25
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Got the movie on DVD - what a wonderful flick.  It did remind me of TP's On Stranger Tides, plus JB's Disappearing Dwarf, including the river pirates/ghosts, plus THe Last Coin, plus a ton of other authors and movies I like.  Who can forget Ashbless' On Pirates?  I would say the flavor was more Powers than Blaylock, though.  I hope they make a sequel!
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Reply #11 - 10. Feb 2008 at 04:23
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A sequel?

I guess Disney must have visited this thread, because they made two!

Jim, I think you might want to contact your lawyer...Smiley

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